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Not understanding the consequences and impacts of doomscrolling and instant gratification videos on reasoning, memory and abstract thinking is not limited to persons aged 15-16. I'd argue this applies to about 90% of the population using smartphones.

They are still present everywhere. They are just badly hidden behind a leaky abstraction.

We're wasting the potential of at least two generations. It's horrible.

Well, if the frontier AI labs get their way the development of the brains of the next generation is wholly unnecessary. I expect they feel as much deep in their bones as they sit through the drudgery of school without a future to put any of it to use.

Just describing what you want doesn't make you an artist. It makes you a client.

Just iteratively refusing what a stochastic generative algorithm presents to you doesn't make you an artist. It makes you a client with attitude.



Apples, oranges.

Koons didn't write a two paragraph description of his ideas and then handed it over to a porcelain factory that repeatedly tried to come up with something that fit the spec until Koons cried out "Yes, that's it! That's what I had in mind!"

He drew sketches, built models, shaped prototypes, etc. He was an active participant in the creative process from the very start to the end, not just a client that checked in on what the artists were doing from time to time to give the thumbs up or thumbs down.


I think this is just gatekeeping. If you are involved in the creative process - additive or subtractive, you are an artist.

Funny how I've only seen people make this kind of claim about AI, and never about people who commission art from artists.

Pope Julius II did not paint the Sistine Chapel's ceilling. Michelangelo did. I cannot believe I have to say this.


I mean i suppose it depends on if you think people using blender are artists. If you think the part that makes them creative is knowing to right click select blah do blah then I get your position. If you say "no, make the background fade out at this point, push the face to the foreground, and add some shadow behind", I really don't understand why knowing the specific keystrokes are the creative part.

But I think you know that and you're just straw manning.

edit- to be clear i'm talking about using existing software like logic pro, blender, etc. i'm not talking about generative AI.


I've yet to see any serious engineer make the argument that Li-ion batteries will be used for seasonal storage. I've more often seen it used as a straw man argument against renewables.

I've seen the argument made plenty of times. Even nuclear engineers from MIT basically made this argument!

You can say anyone who makes this argument isn't serious, but that sounds like a No True Scotsman argument.


France's reactors became successively more expensive as the need for more layered safety features was exposed. The first generation (CP0, CP1, CP2) was quite inexpensive, the P4 and P'4 designs were already more expensive and the N4 was yet more expensive.

At this point I think if you want inexpensive nuclear, you just have to accept some risk. Going from 99.9% safety to 99.99% adds just too much complexity to remain economically viable.


I just keep my windows maximized all the time. What would I need minimize and maximize buttons for? If I have need for several windows next to each other, Gnome gives me handy keyboard shortcuts.

> Sorry for wanting background programs to run in the background and get out of my way.

Sounds like those "background programs running in the background" should be user daemons instead of GUI applications.


> I just keep my windows maximized all the time. What would I need minimize and maximize buttons for?

I have too many windows open to keep them all maximised.

> If I have need for several windows next to each other, Gnome gives me handy keyboard shortcuts.

Those are undiscoverable and should not be the only option.

> Sounds like those "background programs running in the background" should be user daemons instead of GUI applications.

Shoulda, coulda, woulda. I manage with the programs that are, not the ones that could be. I'm not interested in developing my own DE, not redeveloping all the other programs surrounding it.

One isn't even a GUI application. The second sees regular use with a GUI, but only for reconfigurations that take less than 10 seconds.

My workflow works for me, and has for the past 10, probably 20 years if you include earlier programs doing the same kinds of things. Why would I want to relearn a new UI for only marginal benefits?


> Those are undiscoverable and should not be the only option.

Super left right up down. Literally the most logical, and what's used everywhere. And just grabbing and "squeezing" it onto the target edge works, for longer than on the other two major desktops.


> Super left right up down. Literally the most logical, and what's used everywhere.

It's used everywhere and it's completely undiscoverable. Both are true at the same time.

> And just grabbing and "squeezing" it onto the target edge works, for longer than on the other two major desktops.

Good, that's another option. Now, the only thing missing is the default option that's been in use on computers for over 30 years, namely maximise and minimise buttons.


How does maximize and minimize splits your desktop into a side-by-side view? You aren't even taking about the same thing we do.

It doesn't. I don't see why you think I've said that. You're the one who brought that up as an option. My point is that I still want minimise and maximise buttons as an default viable option.

> I have too many windows open to keep them all maximised.

You can have as many windows maximized as you want. There's not upper limit to maximized windows.

> Those are undiscoverable and should not be the only option.

Just do `<super> + appname` and you'll jump to the window in question. No discovery required. The WM will do the discovery for you.

> Shoulda, coulda, woulda. I manage with the programs that are, not the ones that could be. I'm not interested in developing my own DE, not redeveloping all the other programs surrounding it.

> One isn't even a GUI application. The second sees regular use with a GUI, but only for reconfigurations that take less than 10 seconds.

The not-gui application you could put into a user-defined daemon (check [0] on how to create user services). The GUI-for-reconfiguration thingy you can put on a workspace, then it's out of your way and still accessible for reconfiguration.

> Why would I want to relearn a new UI for only marginal benefits?

To be snarky; "Why would I want to relearn riding for a new horseless carriage with only marginal benefits?"

[0] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd/User


> You can have as many windows maximized as you want. There's not upper limit to maximized windows.

I phrased that wrongly. Sorry about that.

I constantly maximise windows, and I often minimise them too. I use the buttons for that. Sometimes i double click the title bar, and sometimes I just drag to the top. Neither of the latter two, or any other way to maximise or minimise windows, implie that the buttons shouldn't be there. I still use them, regardless of the other options, and I like it that way.

> Just do `<super> + appname` and you'll jump to the window in question. No discovery required. The WM will do the discovery for you.

Knowing that you're supposed to do '<super> + appname' is undiscoverable.

> The not-gui application you could put into a user-defined daemon (check [0] on how to create user services). The GUI-for-reconfiguration thingy you can put on a workspace, then it's out of your way and still accessible for reconfiguration.

No thanks. I'm good.

> To be snarky; "Why would I want to relearn riding for a new horseless carriage with only marginal benefits?"

To be even snarkier: Why live? I still haven't found a good reason. But while I'm doing it, I don't want to make my existence harder.

Relearning a new UI doesn't have any obvious benefits. People would have told me about the benefits by now. The horseless carriage has obvious benefits. People have told me about those, and it didn't take much to convince me. It shouldn't take much to convince me to relearn a new UI. The UI simply has to be good and have features which make my life easier. Gnome isn't and doesn't have any, going by the times I've tried to use it and the ways people try to convince me that it's actually good.


I'm curious; why do you minimize windows? What's your use case for that?

I remember that I stopped minimizing windows when I stopped putting application starters and folders on the desktop - this was the one thing that forced me to minimize windows, because otherwise I couldn't access those (obviously).


> I'm curious; why do you minimize windows? What's your use case for that?

Because there are windows behind the one I want to minimise that I wish to see. Each of my monitors has at least two programs on it, most of which are best viewed maximised (a video, a full screen game, a remote session to a different desktop, a text editor, probably more in some extreme cases).

> I remember that I stopped minimizing windows when I stopped putting application starters and folders on the desktop - this was the one thing that forced me to minimize windows, because otherwise I couldn't access those (obviously).

My desktop isn't quite sterile, but there's nothing there I need immediate access to. And if I do, I use the file manager anyway.


> Relearning a new UI doesn't have any obvious benefits. People would have told me about the benefits by now.

Gnome for me has the benefit of being usable without ever actually touching the mouse. I can keep my fingers on the keyboard without ever having to lift my hand and push around the mouse to switch applications, to start applications, find applications. The only time I need to use the mouse is if I'm using applications that have some kind of obligatory/mandatory mouse usage, e.g. Blender or Gimp or the like.

YMMV.


Most of the programs I use require the mouse often enough that this isn't really a workflow I'm interested in. And even if those edge-case actions can be done without a mouse, it's usually some arcane keyboard shortcut to do so, which isn't actually any faster than just using the mouse unless you've already optimised your way to only using the keyboard.

YMMV indeed.


Surely you realize that using a computer in this fashion in the modern era is relegated to a fraction of a percentage of people, right? I agree with the sentiment that an OS should be usable without a pointing device, especially for accessibility reasons or instances where a pointing device is faulty or unavailable, but it should also consider the other 99.999% of general purpose computer users.

It should be usable by both a mouse-only, by both a keyboard-only and with a combination of the two.

Accessibility is paramount in and of itself, but it also has the added benefit of helping non-standard situations. Like I occasionally use my desktop over TV from bed with only a mouse, or the reverse, I may only have a keyboard at the time. Or I'm just eating/drinking something.

Gnome performs splendidly here, windows and Mac, much less so.


YMMV.

I think Gnome is one of the better desktops out there. It goes out of my way and I very much like the changes it brought.


Yeah of course i've got no problem that people use it, but the devs have started to take a vert opiniated approach that is not aligned with my vision. It's just unfortunate that an update can break all my habits

Image if all people who don't want to use Sway would post the same opinion every time anyone would mention DEs on Linux.

That would be relevant when a Debian/Ubuntu/whatever upgrade switched those users to Sway. That's the problem: The Gnome 3 users wanted to create something different but instead of doing just that they changed a project that already had existing users.

It's not the "Gnome users" that wanted to create something different - it's the Gnome developers that did.

It's the developers prerogative to do with their project whatever they want.



What if it gets damaged or a drunk customer vomits into it or otherwise soils it?


You can buy the TeslaCare package for just 9.99 a week, or 5000 a year


I don't think that also covers cleaning[1].

[1] https://www.consumerhealthdigest.com/health-supplements/tesl...


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